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@Metal-Brain said
What happened to your hand?
Dupuytrens contracture also known as Viking disease.

It's passed down from my mother's side.
Hereditary and no cure but surgery is easy enough.

It's when your fingers curl in and stay there.

You've probably seen old people with it.


@PuzZuLz said
So why is everyone down there complaining?
Because that extra spending doesn't translate to either universal coverage or particularly good results.

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@PuzZuLz said
Yes exactly

I've been paying an extra 15 percent my whole life.
Almost 48 years old.

My first medical surgery is in January for my hand.
This is yet another person who doesn't understand what taxes are for.

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@Suzianne

It would have cost me a lot less if I had to pay my own medical and no extra taxes my whole life.

You just want everyone else to pay for it.


@no1marauder said
Because that extra spending doesn't translate to either universal coverage or particularly good results.
Yes, marauder is telling you that people get upset when things are not free. And when they get something that becomes free, then they will want something else that is free. There are people like me that stand between keeping the United States, healthy, safe and rich, and letting you people all fall into a Cuba like atmosphere.
Vote for AJoe.

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@Metal-Brain said
Are you saying we are almost already paying for universal healthcare because nobody is denied treatment but we don't have it to make insurance companies rich at our expense?

Is that why Luigi Mangione was able to avoid the death penalty?
So the insurance companies would not be on trial for ripping us all off?
Ask any of your cohorts, they know.

Do you little any idea how long this conversation could go on , there are many facets, many considerations, that I won’t mention. It is great to be part of a country that has the greatest medical achievements. But allow me to wait it down to one simple Observation/question. And I note that you all write how much things cost all the time, when in reality whatever you pay is your choice…that, you buy some supplemental insurance or not. That is your choice, don’t blame anybody if you’re not happy. You have that choice, you will not find it in Cuba.


So here it is :

Hospital A charges less but has fewer specialists, fewer treatment options, and limited access to advanced procedures.
Hospital B charges more but offers a wider range of specialized services and advanced technologies.

Which track would you like to to be on?


@PuzZuLz said
@Suzianne

It would have cost me a lot less if I had to pay my own medical and no extra taxes my whole life.

You just want everyone else to pay for it.
Like how everyone else now pays for your girlfriend’s situation?

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@AverageJoe1 said
Ask any of your cohorts, they know.

Do you little any idea how long this conversation could go on , there are many facets, many considerations, that I won’t mention. It is great to be part of a country that has the greatest medical achievements. But allow me to wait it down to one simple Observation/question. And I note that you all write how much things cost all the t ...[text shortened]... range of specialized services and advanced technologies.

Which track would you like to to be on?
I'd prefer a system that doesn't produce an additional 100,000 deaths a year because of lack of health insurance and where people on average live 3-4 years longer (like they do in OECD nations).

But hey that's just me.

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@Great-King-Rat said
Like how everyone else now pays for your girlfriend’s situation?
She's worked her whole life since she was 13. That's 40 years of paying taxes.

She still works and will work until death.

She's paid more into taxes than most Canadians.

She's earned it.

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@PuzZuLz said
She's worked her whole life since she was 13. That's 40 years of paying taxes.

She still works and will work until death.

She's paid more into taxes than most Canadians.

She's earned it.
"I apologize for everything bad I said about Canada prior to this date.
I will no longer criticize Canada or make opinions in any way about Canada or the government.
The Canadian Dental Care Plan was a big one that made me rethink my criticism and then today my girlfriend who is dying from heart failure was very quickly approved for disability benefits so she can enjoy her last few years in comfort.
She is only 52 and will not see the standard retirement age of 65 so the generous Canadian Liberal government has decided to let her have a modified retirement earlier than usual.
God Bless Canada and the Liberal government. 🇨🇦
All future political discussions about the rest of the world and corrections of the American Left Wing fanatics will not stop."

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/public-notice-tue-sept-2026.206221

People shouldn't be working at age 13 and she doesn't need to work until death.

Paying taxes for healthcare so you don't have to pay impossible amounts when you actually need it is the way to go

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@Great-King-Rat

Me telling Americans to shut up about free health care unless they increase their taxes isn't talking bad about Canada at all.
I'm tired of Americans not understanding how much extra taxes they need to pay to get the "free health care"

Me wanting to not pay taxes my whole life and instead take a chance on good health and pay when I need medical attention isn't me talking bad about Canada either.

It's me wanting a choice.

Dumbass

Also, my girlfriend has paid more into that fund than she will ever cost the country.

Me, not so much 😄

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@Great-King-Rat said
Paying taxes for healthcare so you don't have to pay impossible amounts when you actually need it is the way to go
We only get the basics.

Teeth cleaned fillings.
No crowns, No dentures, No implants etc


Medical is the same way.
Just the basics.

Anything more and we pay just like the Americans.

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@no1marauder said
I'd prefer a system that doesn't produce an additional 100,000 deaths a year because of lack of health insurance and where people on average live 3-4 years longer (like they do in OECD nations).

But hey that's just me.
I just saw this non answer. You are truly a loser. Nothing. A multiple choice, and you snidely find it too much for you? You changed the subject to mortality.statistics and life expectancy???????????????!!!!!!!!!!
And then you congratulated yourself at the end for that crap? You are the Piker guy, you must look exactly like his sniveling self, creepy. You haven’t answered my question. You’ve simply introduced an entirely different argument and congratulated yourself for doing so. That is what Eessssssqqqqquuuiires do. Creep indeed.
I am still watching at bar Association, CLE meetings, etc. for anyone self-designated an esquire, and there’s never one. Wonder why that is. If any other lawyer is on such a scavenger hunt, he will find you, and win the hunt.!!!!! Point you out to his friends across the room.

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GhosaRat says he told a poor man with a broken arm that he need bother to not seek healthcare, as he is not covered in the USA. Told him to go to Cuba, covers everybody. I think that somebody has misrepresented what the status of healthcare is in this country, and this little man will suffer because of that information.Who in the world said that.?!?!??