@Sprogladog saidNo. There is no instruction anywhere in the Bible for Christians to go conquer/takeover anyone. The Catholic Church under the then Pope [in the inquisitions] acted in error in trying to do that. The Church later admitted their error, retracted and apologised.
Was Christianity designed to conquer and take over? Would you like some examples?
In fact the instruction to Christians, when proselyting and preaching is to walk away from anyone who rather not listen to the Word of God. Would you like the references?
@beardmusic saidI listed some examples of what people were fearful of in the UK. It is estimated that about 35 to 40% of the UK is not happy about their lives in the last decades or so for the reasons given.
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What I was interested in was that you said earlier that 'the UK will fall' I simply asked what you (SPECIFICALLY) meant by this statement? The fact that you haven't answered seems to demonstrate to me that you're just repeating a propaganda slogan - in that it is vague and essentially meaningless. What does a 'fallen' UK look like?
So far all I have heard have ...[text shortened]... . Be careful what you believe in this regard as there are many who will deceive you on this score...
What is instructive is that you rather ignore all these facts and dismiss it all as propaganda. Clearly you are the biased one.
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There are so many other factors economic/ social/ technological that have fed into the dissatisfaction you are talking about. Unfortunately you're just too simplistic in your outlook, no subtlety or nuance therefore we have to leave it there...
After all this you still haven't answered my question 🤣🤣🤣
@Rajk999 saidFREE THE HAGIA SOPHIA OR ELSE
• Reciprocity on Places of Worship: Tarczyński argued that Europe should not permit the construction of new mosques until Christian churches and cathedrals are freely allowed to be built in nations like Qatar.
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we'll turn the Alhambra into a Christian themed theme park called Reconquista Land
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@Rajk999 saidTheres no instructions to conquer or take over in the quran.
No. There is no instruction anywhere in the Bible for Christians to go conquer/takeover anyone. The Catholic Church under the then Pope [in the inquisitions] acted in error in trying to do that. The Church later admitted their error, retracted and apologised.
In fact the instruction to Christians, when proselyting and preaching is to walk away from anyone who rather not listen to the Word of God. Would you like the references?
@beardmusic saidI notice that you claim to be 'intelligent', and you call me 'simplistic', yet you do not address the issue. There is a name for debaters who personalise the issue.
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There are so many other factors economic/ social/ technological that have fed into the dissatisfaction you are talking about. Unfortunately you're just too simplistic in your outlook, no subtlety or nuance therefore we have to leave it there...
After all this you still haven't answered my question 🤣🤣🤣
What are these other factors that have led to dissatisfaction?
Why not state what these are, so that I can check on them?
Why the secrecy?
@Sprogladog saidDo I distort or exaggerate the statement or argument of an opponent in a debate. ? Would you point it out. If j do, I will admit it. A general characteristic of a solid debater. Tell me.
Do you strawman on purpose?
Tell us.
@Sprogladog saidI have posted these constantly many times. Here it is again .. several passages about killing Jews, Infidels, Christians, Apostates. Instructions to behead, terrorize, rape and destroy them.
Theres no instructions to conquer or take over in the quran.
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(A) Quran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
(B) Quran 3:28 “Muslims must not take infidels as friends”
(C) Quran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable”
(D) Quran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam”
(E) Quran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than Quran”
(F) Quran 8:60 “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels”
(G) Quran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them”
(H) Quran 9:5 “Whenever opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them”
(I) Quran 9:123 “Make war on infidels living in your neighborhood”
(J) Quran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them.
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@Sprogladog saidThat's the Bible:
Theres no instructions to conquer or take over in the quran.
1. Deuteronomy 20:16–17 —
“But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them…”
2. 1 Samuel 15:2–3 — Kill men, women, children and infants
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling…”
3. Deuteronomy 7:1–2 — Destroy the nations of Canaan
“And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.”
4. Numbers 31:7–11 describes the Israelites fighting Midian and killing the males. In verses 15–18, Moses responds to the surviving women and children, ordering the killing of the male children and women who had known a man, while allowing the virgin girls to live.
@vivify saidThose are Gods instructions to the Jews to kill evil people occupying Palestine, and has nothing to do with Christianity
That's the Bible:
[i]1. Deuteronomy 20:16–17 —
“But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them…”
2. 1 Samuel 15:2–3 — Kill men, women, children and infants
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare the ...[text shortened]... killing of the male children and women who had known a man, while allowing the virgin girls to live.
Sprogladog said "Was Christianity designed to conquer and take over? Would you like some examples?
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@Rajk999 saidThe Christian God commands killing infants and breast-fed children. You mean those evil people?
Those are Gods instructions to the Jews to kill evil people occupying Palestine, and has nothing to do with Christianity
The Old Testament is an intrinsic part of Christianity. Jesus' words:
Matthew 5:17 - “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.
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@Rajk999 saidIf Europe falls, the country standing certainly won't be Poland, which ranks 21st in Europe in terms of per-capita GDP:
When Europe falls, and fall it will, Poland will be standing.
https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2025/19/gdp-per-capita-netherlands-fourth-in-eu-in-2024