@no1marauder saidYou are blind to the failure of the criminal justice system in many parts of the world, and that is what is perverse. Courts have often failed and this has caused murderers, pedophiles and rapists to be released into society where they have killed and raped again.
Your sense of "justice" is perverse.
There is nothing "just" about punishing someone who doesn't understand they did anything wrong.
Vigilantes, who are usually family or close friends or associates of the victims, are hardly impartial arbitrators. They can easily err and kill complete innocents.
Claude AI list of reasons for failure of the courts in the USA:
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Reasons for the faiure of the US criminal justice system : .corruption, resource constraints, political capture, slow process, evidentiary limits, or simple absence of functioning institutions."
Resource constraints
Public defender collapse, nationwide (2024-2026). In Washington state, a lack of available public defenders resulted in charges being dropped for a number of people accused of felony crimes in 2024, including a case involving rape charges, because the state couldn't provide constitutionally required counsel within legal time limits. In Louisiana, some public defenders reported caseloads as high as 1,000 clients each — a load the head of the National Association for Public Defense called simply unworkable. In one Washington county, five people, some accused of violent crimes, had to be released after public defender shortages left them in jail too long without representation. This is a live, ongoing crisis: the Iowa Supreme Court just ruled in January 2026 that public defenders can legally refuse new cases when caseloads become unmanageable, and Montana courts are currently reporting people waiting up to 50 days in jail just to be assigned a public defender, well beyond the state's own 14-day benchmark.
Slow process (court backlogs)
San Francisco's 2025-26 caseload crisis is a clear current example: the Public Defender's Office caseload jumped roughly 55% in about a year (from 1,612 to 2,493 combined cases), forcing the office to declare itself formally "unavailable" for new misdemeanor and some felony arraignments one day a week just to preserve constitutionally adequate representation for existing clients — meaning some new defendants effectively can't get timely representation at all right now.
Evidentiary limits
Junk or since-discredited forensic science remains a live problem — bite-mark analysis, older hair-fiber microscopy, and arson "science" have all led to convictions later overturned once the underlying methods were debunked, and the National Registry of Exonerations continues logging dozens of such cases every year, including several in 2024-2025 involving convictions decades old that only recently unraveled under DNA retesting or reanalysis of forensic methods.
Political capture / resource allocation disputes
The San Francisco example doubles as this too: the public defender and DA's office have publicly blamed each other, with the defender's office alleging the DA's filings surged nearly 60% since 2021 while defense funding didn't keep pace — illustrating how prosecutorial and budgetary decisions (which are politically driven) can structurally overwhelm the defense side of the system regardless of individual case merit.
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@no1marauder saidYou make my point. My point is that everyone who kills can be considered insane to kill children. Do you follow.? so yes, anyone who kills a child should be found not guilty, as we stipulate that they are insane. I would like for you to answer that simple query , am I correct??
I agree with the law in this case.
Not with a bunch of babbling idiots at a Starbucks (which I don't go to unless there's nothing similar open at an airport).
If I kill my neighbor because his dog barks all night, I am insane.
@no1marauder saidA pedophile that cannot control their desire for underaged girls must either be permanently be locked away or be killed.
Massachusetts uses what's called the "McHoul Standard":
"In Massachusetts, the defense may apply when a person’s mental condition prevents them from understanding or controlling their actions at the time of an alleged crime, including during an episode of psychosis."
https://news.northeastern.edu/2026/07/31/daniel-medwed-lindsay-clancy-trial/
Explain to me the "justice" of punishing someone who cannot understand or control their actions.
Its not about the perp. Its about removing them from society permanently. Lindsay Clancy should be either locked way permanently or executed.
The aim of the criminal justice system is to remove violent people, mentally deranged people, perverts from society. Nobody gives a damn where they go ... to a jail or in the grave.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI follow, but you are wrong. Check my last post on the prior page for the definition of the requirements of an insanity defense (which rarely works).
You make my point. My point is that everyone who kills can be considered insane to kill children. Do you follow.? so yes, anyone who kills a child should be found not guilty, as we stipulate that they are insane. I would like for you to answer that simple query , am I correct??
If I kill my neighbor because his dog barks all night, I am insane.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAre you kidding? this is marauder that you are talking to. He is Shavixmir. You will recall that I gave Shav ann analogy that his entire family was wiped out in the middle of the night at a remote Lake house by a guy with a hatchet.
I wonder how these liberals would feel if one of these freaks killed all their children then got away with it?
I asked him my usual questions, and he said he would not want the Killer to be executed. As he does not believe in capital punishment, so you have people here who are aberrant, right here on RHP , really creepy.
Brrrrrrr
@Rajk999 saidYou're the one who was talking about "justice". You seemed to have now ignored what is actually just.
A pedophile that cannot control their desire for underaged girls must either be permanently be locked away or be killed.
Its not about the perp. Its about removing them from society permanently. Lindsay Clancy should be either locked way permanently or executed.
The aim of the criminal justice system is to remove violent people, mentally deranged people, perverts from society. Nobody gives a damn where they go ... to a jail or in the grave.
Why don't you use your AI and look up "aims of the criminal justice system"? It should tell you that incapacitation is not the only one.
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@AverageJoe1 saidAccording to AI, 53 countries still have the death penalty, while 110 have abolished it. And:
Are you kidding? this is marauder that you are talking to. He is Shavixmir. You will recall that I gave Shav ann analogy that his entire family was wiped out in the middle of the night at a remote Lake house by a guy with a hatchet.
I asked him my usual questions, and he said he would not want the Killer to be executed. As he does not believe in capital punishment, so you have people here who are aberrant, right here on RHP , really creepy.
Brrrrrrr
"As of 2022, 33 of the 37 UN member states that are classified by the IMF as advanced economies[44] have fully abolished capital punishment. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country
Who's "aberrant" i.e.:
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: a group, individual, or structure that is not normal or typical : an aberrant group, individual, or structure
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: a person whose behavior departs substantially from the standard.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aberrant
@no1marauder saidLittle guy, with your Link Emporium, your post says nothing to the average man on this forum. That means it says nothing to me. You are the Artful Dodger of the forum. But not so artful.
According to AI, 53 countries still have the death penalty, while 110 have abolished it. And:
"As of 2022, 33 of the 37 UN member states that are classified by the IMF as advanced economies[44] have fully abolished capital punishment. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country
Who's "aberrant" i.e.:
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: a group, individual, or structure tha ...[text shortened]... vior departs substantially from the standard.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aberrant
That’s OK, as I did just say let it go and talk to MB so carry on
@no1marauder saidMany cases in recent years demonstrating the failure of the criminal justice system all over the world. Most of this is caused by naive experts believing they can reform serial killers, pedophiles and rapists. They have been proven wrong over and over and there are hundreds of cases of repeat offenders. The issue is the courts continue to fail to protect society from this sickos. Here is some cases which people may not have heard about from Claude..
You're the one who was talking about "justice". You seemed to have now ignored what is actually just.
Why don't you use your AI and look up "aims of the criminal justice system"? It should tell you that incapacitation is not the only one.
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Here's a short list of well-documented cases spanning murder, rape, and sexual offences against children:
1. Murder — Kenneth McDuff (Texas, USA)
McDuff received three death sentences for kidnapping and murdering three teenagers in 1966. His sentence was commuted to life with parole after the 1972 Supreme Court ruling in Furman v. Georgia, and amid severe prison overcrowding, he was paroled in October 1989 despite the original jury having found he was likely to kill again. Within days of release he is believed to have resumed killing, ultimately raping and murdering at least six more women between 1989 and 1992, including Colleen Reed and Melissa Northrup. He was recaptured, retried, and executed in 1998. The case exposed corruption and overcrowding pressures in the Texas parole system and led directly to the "McDuff Laws," an overhaul requiring full-board votes on parole for violent offenders.
2. Rape — John Worboys ("the black cab rapist," UK)
Worboys was convicted in 2009 of drugging and sexually assaulting at least 12 women (with police believing the true number of victims exceeded 100) as a London taxi driver. In 2018, the Parole Board approved his release after serving roughly the minimum tariff of his indeterminate sentence, triggering public outcry and a landmark legal challenge from victims that overturned the release decision — a rare case where a court found the Parole Board's process itself was flawed. He was later recalled to prison in 2019 after breaching license conditions.
3. Pedophilia/child sexual abuse — Jesse Timmendequas (New Jersey, USA)
Timmendequas had two prior convictions for sexually assaulting children, having served short sentences with early release both times. After his final release, he moved across the street from a family in Hamilton Township, New Jersey, without their knowledge, and in 1994 raped and murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka. This case directly led to "Megan's Law," now adopted in some form across all U.S. states, requiring public sex-offender registries — a direct legislative response to the system releasing a known repeat offender without any community notification mechanism.
4. Rape/kidnapping — Phillip Garrido (California, USA)
Garrido was convicted in 1977 of kidnapping and raping a woman and served only about 11 years of a federal sentence before parole. While still under parole supervision, he kidnapped 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard in 1991 and held her captive for 18 years, during which he repeatedly raped her; she gave birth to two of his children in captivity. Parole officers had visited his home multiple times without detecting her presence, which became a major case study in supervision failures.
5. Murder/rape — Colin Pitchfork (UK)
Pitchfork was the first person in the world convicted using DNA profiling, for the 1983 and 1986 rape and murder of two 15-year-old girls in Leicestershire. He was released on parole in 2021 after serving 33 years, but was recalled to prison within months after breaching his license conditions, including approaching young women and using a disguised phone to access the internet — behavior the Parole Board had explicitly warned was a risk indicator before granting release.
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@no1marauder saidRajk Comrade, he’s all yours. I think I will go shoot my neighbors dog. I would have to be insane to do that. But I’m going to. I expect I will not be prosecuted.
You're the one who was talking about "justice". You seemed to have now ignored what is actually just.
Why don't you use your AI and look up "aims of the criminal justice system"? It should tell you that incapacitation is not the only one.
@AverageJoe1 saidYep, the system is flawed so you will be fine.
Rajk Comrade, he’s all yours. I think I will go shoot my neighbors dog. I would have to be insane to do that. But I’m going to. I expect I will not be prosecuted.
@Rajk999 saidHow many millions of criminal cases have been decided in the long time frame you are using?
Many cases in recent years demonstrating the failure of the criminal justice system all over the world. Most of this is caused by naive experts believing they can reform serial killers, pedophiles and rapists. They have been proven wrong over and over and there are hundreds of cases of repeat offenders. The issue is the courts continue to fail to protect society from this ...[text shortened]... plicitly warned was a risk indicator before granting release.
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You've proven nothing except any human system isn't perfect (a strong argument against the death penalty in particular). Mass executions and vigilante justice aren't the solution you seem to think though they are in line with your twisted sociopathic views.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt says you don't know the meaning of words that you use; the views you are expressing are "aberrant" as regards State executions to most in the world.
Little guy, with your Link Emporium, your post says nothing to the average man on this forum. That means it says nothing to me. You are the Artful Dodger of the forum. But not so artful.
That’s OK, as I did just say let it go and talk to MB so carry on
@no1marauder saidUsing the UK data, the repeat offender rate is very high - between 35% and 70%. Here, argue with Claude AI again :
How many millions of criminal cases have been decided in the long time frame you are using?
You've proven nothing except any human system isn't perfect (a strong argument against the death penalty in particular). Mass executions and vigilante justice aren't the solution you seem to think though they are in line with your twisted sociopathic views.
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Adults released from custody or starting court orders: around 37%–38% reoffend — this is the closest match to your "released, then reoffended" framing.
Adults released from short custodial sentences (under 12 months): the rate is dramatically higher — around 64%–68%, and it's ticked up further recently (66.0% in Q1 2024, up over 9 percentage points year-on-year).
Adults released from longer sentences (12 months+): notably lower, around 23%.
Child offenders released from custody: the highest of any group — 66% in one recent quarter.
Reoffenders don't offend just once — the average reoffender in recent quarters commits around 5.1 further offences before being caught again, which has been rising and is close to the highest point in the whole time series.
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Something is wrong with the criminal justice system. It is flawed, and lawyers like you know the flaws, but it is your livelihood to live and prosper off these flaws, while people continue to suffer and the hands of criminals who are released into society. You are the sociopath.
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@no1marauder said“Regards exections in most of the ‘world’??? You talk about the ‘world ‘. and other countries a lot. You never mention the murderous North Africans very much. So they are not like us right. So tell us where you draw the line as to who is like whom, and to whom we ourselves with. if you want to compare us with the faeries in Denmark, who do not do 1000,000th as much as does our country, then you need to compare us to the North Africans.
It says you don't know the meaning of words that you use; the views you are expressing are "aberrant" as regards State executions to most in the world.
But please write it as a treatise, please don’t write it to me. I am busy..